Matt Rize

Bubbleman and Matt Rize

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Bubbleman responds to my "how-to" thread...

I posted my "how to make hash thread" all over the web and it got some attention. Then Bubbleman, the man responsible for the tools I use to make hash, came and gave his two cents, and then some. He reveals some great Bubbleman history, and admits that until recently he was not drying his ice-water extracted hash properly. That means he had unintentionally taught the world the wrong way to dry hash with his how to videos! I made my thread to directly correct his how-to, without being a jerk about it. My thread documents how to actually dry ice-water hash, the crucial and forgotten step in many cases. I changed a lot of minds about how to dry bubble hash. "Bubble hash" is his namesake, and is synonymous with ice-water extracted hash, to his competitors dismay. He thanks me for my posts and asks me to better document my drying process for the world.

BUBBLEMAN:

"Nice posts matt.... Good to have information on the net about making hash..
I would only add that in regards to Not using all the bags.. that probably works great because you have some incredible quality material.. however i would still let people know who DON"T... they should use all the bags...Getting Fullmelt from 3 or 4 bags is a much more rare thing than using them all. Believe it or not i didnt add these bags for no particular reason.. we experimented with them for years before we found the right fit for our uses.
Another reason you would want to use all the bags.. is that you can actualy seperate out different medicinal aspects of the profile in different size gland heads.
With this done you still have the ability to mix them together if you find the profile fuller.. however if you don't.. you can still puff them seperate.. and alot of medical people appreciate this.Once you've mixed them all together in the bucket( using less bags) you can't go back.

Also if you are using enough Ice in your Bubblenow.. and your done at the end of a mix and ICE is still present.. You don't need to insultate the Unit.. Insultating the unit would be a good idea if you had A: not enough access to good ice.. or B: water that just didnt come out of the tap cold enough.

I liked the idea of melting the ice before you filter.. in order to get the resin heads off the ice.. and i like the first picture of showing the Bubble in the stainless steel filter.
One thing i've noticed about making and drying bubble is. that very few people do the latter part correctly>
pressing Bubble days after it was made is never a good idea.. and will almost always leave moisture in the hash.
We can always tell this is the case by a nice hard piece of hash turning softer over the days and weeks its left out.
ONce it starts crumbling the moisture is doing its work and will eventualy funk up the hash.

Anyway great job dude.. people are enjoying your post..
Keep it up

peace
Bubble man

ps.. sorry if i sound critizing in my first part of the post.. but over the years watching people how to learn THEIR method i have seen some stuff that i just can't agree with>
I have also been making water hash since 97/98 and have figured out some pretty decent tricks over the years.. but one of the most important things i learned over the years teaching people is that every one is using different quality material> SO teaching them specific ways of making and comparing it to what im making was one of my first crucial errors.
I try to give people the basics and a round about method that can then be extrapolated upon for further tricks and tips.

For instance.. when i first started making bubble way back.. i was using this incredible material from a strain called RENE.
The trim was always bone dry.. i could get fullmelt from four bags.. and the hash was UNREAL. stinkiest hash you can imagine.. a small piece smelled like a half lb bag of the same herb.
ANyway i use to teach people that you dry your trim... well over the years.. i figured out that this was actualy keeping alot of people from gaining access to melty hash.
The rene which contained high percentages of alcohol soluble terpenes.. which is why even trim that had been dry for months.. would still produce this incredible quality hash that looked like stained glass when stretched out and pressed.

However the rene was unique and i have since never seen a strain like it..

I use to show people you can dry your hash in paddies..
HOw wrong i was.. the hash needs to be dried properly and i would say if you want to help the world of hash masters as you call them you would pass on as much solid information as you can in regards to drying.
It seems to be this is where the most people get lost....
peace
Bubble man

MATT RIZE RESPONDS (in bold):
Originally Posted by bubbleman
"Nice posts matt.... Good to have information on the net about making hash..
I would only add that in regards to Not using all the bags.. that probably works great because you have some incredible quality material.. however i would still let people know who DON"T... they should use all the bags...Getting Fullmelt from 3 or 4 bags is a much more rare thing than using them all. Believe it or not i didnt add these bags for no particular reason.. we experimented with them for years before we found the right fit for our uses." 
Thank you. To this day I use all of the bags for the first batch, and decide after that which bags I will be using for the remaining batches of the same material.

 

Originally Posted by bubbleman
"Another reason you would want to use all the bags.. is that you can actualy seperate out different medicinal aspects of the profile in different size gland heads."
YES! I briefly mentioned this (gland heads sizes having different affects) in my posts. I find the smaller trichomes to be more of a pure THC high and the larger to be a more complex high with noticeable amounts of CBD/CBN.
"blackberry kush flower %15.44 THC %0.23CBD %0.05CBN
blackberry kush full melt%52.64THC %01.27CBD %0.33CBN"
52.64:15.44=3.41x
1.27:0.23=5.52x
0.33:0.05= 6x (its been a while since significant figures...) http://steephilllab.com/
I speculate that the higher levels (relative to THC) of CBD/CBN in my bubble is due to the inclusion of 45 to 160 microns. I would love to hear everyone's opinions on this!


Originally Posted by bubbleman
"With this done you still have the ability to mix them together if you find the profile fuller.. however if you don't.. you can still puff them seperate.. and alot of medical people appreciate this.Once you've mixed them all together in the bucket( using less bags) you can't go back."
Very important point here for personals. But time IS money, and the dispensaries A) don't care about the actual microns, just overall quality B) want bulk.


Originally Posted by bubbleman
"Also if you are using enough Ice in your Bubblenow.. and your done at the end of a mix and ICE is still present.. You don't need to insultate the Unit.. Insultating the unit would be a good idea if you had A: not enough access to good ice.. or B: water that just didnt come out of the tap cold enough."
Agreed. Cali gets HOT in the summer, so hot. And the tap water comes out in the 80s F. And ice is an issue for remote folks with BIG jobs.

Originally Posted by bubbleman
"I liked the idea of melting the ice before you filter.. in order to get the resin heads off the ice.. and i like the first picture of showing the Bubble in the stainless steel filter."
Thanks. I have other options for breaking up hash that I will post soon. That was my old method. I put that in my powerpoint for class because it is a newbie proof method.

Originally Posted by bubbleman
"One thing i've noticed about making and drying bubble is. that very few people do the latter part correctly>
pressing Bubble days after it was made is never a good idea.. and will almost always leave moisture in the hash.
We can always tell this is the case by a nice hard piece of hash turning softer over the days and weeks its left out.
ONce it starts crumbling the moisture is doing its work and will eventualy funk up the hash."
Words of wisdom from the bubbleman himself. I believe pressing wet hash forms an emulsion of sorts, a mix of the oil (hash) and water. Once this emulsion is formed the water can never be removed. The water acts as a solvent and makes people think their hash is "extra bubbly" but that is complete BS.

Hash bubbles not because of water, but because the decarboxylation process releases gas and possibly H20 molecules. The real test of hash is not how well it bubbles, or even how well it melts necessarily. The tests come from how it makes you feel when you consume it.

The lab can tell us about the major cannabinoids, but there are 66 currently discovered. Much is still not known about the biochemistry of the 66 discovered cannabinoids and our endocannabinoid systems.

Originally Posted by bubbleman
"Anyway great job dude.. people are enjoying your post..
Keep it up
peace
Bubble man"
I use the BubbleNow XL and Bubblebags (8 bag 5 gallon kit). Hundreds of washes and running like brand new. The bags are going strong too... although the inside of the white bag has taken on an interesting gold color .
 

MATT RIZE'S RESPONSE TO BUBBLEMAN'S PS (ind bold):
Originally Posted by bubbleman
"Nice posts matt....
ps.. sorry if i sound critizing in my first part of the post.. but over the years watching people how to learn THEIR method i have seen some stuff that i just can't agree with>
I have also been making water hash since 97/98 and have figured out some pretty decent tricks over the years.. but one of the most important things i learned over the years teaching people is that every one is using different quality material> SO teaching them specific ways of making and comparing it to what im making was one of my first crucial errors.
I try to give people the basics and a round about method that can then be extrapolated upon for further tricks and tips."
Extremely important point here from bubbleman. The quality of trim varies greatly from garden to garden, and genetics. Hash quality is directly related to how well the flowers were grown AND the physical properties of the trichomes.

Originally Posted by bubbleman
"For instance.. when i first started making bubble way back.. i was using this incredible material from a strain called RENE.
The trim was always bone dry.. i could get fullmelt from four bags.. and the hash was UNREAL. stinkiest hash you can imagine.. a small piece smelled like a half lb bag of the same herb.
ANyway i use to teach people that you dry your trim... well over the years.. i figured out that this was actualy keeping alot of people from gaining access to melty hash.
The rene which contained high percentages of alcohol soluble terpenes.. which is why even trim that had been dry for months.. would still produce this incredible quality hash that looked like stained glass when stretched out and pressed.

However the rene was unique and i have since never seen a strain like it.."
You sir, have just made my day. Alcohol soluble terpenes NEED to be the next thing tested for in bubble! There is so much value in aromatherapy, both for healing and to get you higher.

Originally Posted by bubbleman
I use to show people you can dry your hash in paddies..
HOw wrong i was.. the hash needs to be dried properly and i would say if you want to help the world of hash masters as you call them you would pass on as much solid information as you can in regards to drying.
It seems to be this is where the most people get lost....
peace
Bubble man"
Thanks, you are the hashmaster and I entered the trade from Bubblman's how-to!
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Sativa Diva
Friday, May 20 2011 at 11:10a
 
How cool! Bubbleman rocks and having him give you the thumbs up is tight. Well done Mr. Rize!
 
Sierra Sativa  (34 posts)
Friday, May 20 2011 at 11:31a
 
Wow, I am blown away by the methods Matt uses to stay on top of his game. It's nice to have someone making sure that even the best of the best walk the line. Right on Matt, that's what I call an expert opinion. Kisses, Sierra
 
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Matt Rize  (105 posts)
Sunday, Jun 5 2011 at 4:15p
 
Thank you kindly Empresses of Sativa. rize up!
 
skunkweed777  (2 posts)
Thursday, Jul 14 2011 at 11:49p
 

great post. very important stuff 

 
AquaLab
Friday, Sep 23 2011 at 12:30p
 
Looking Good!!
 
thc559  (2 posts)
Wednesday, Jan 4 2012 at 7:07p
 
Matt you need to elaborate on the curing method of this whole procedure please.
 
BudderBreakfast  (7 posts)
Monday, Feb 13 2012 at 8:31a
 
how come it comes out better for me when i use dry but not fresh trim? i threw some trim in the freezer overnight then ran it in my bubble now and it came out green, then the same strain ran it dry came out great, i always see people saying theres comes out better wet but have yet to experience that, maybe i didnt freeze it long enough?
 
jacktorrence
Friday, Jan 31 at 3:49p
 
Thanks for all the info Matt. Is there a general ideal time to cure the bubble after its been dried? Also should the containers be air tight? Plastic or glass? Thanks!